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December 3, 2011


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So... there's something going on about these two fandoms hating on each other (I think I typed it up the way it was supposed to *practically quoting blogs*)

In retaliation, the fans of both fandoms paired the creators of them up.  Yeah...  I found a crossover fic where the pairing was Hussie/Himaruya

Copied from tumblr:
Quite a few old friends have lost interest in talking to me now because I'm not all over their precious, wonderful Homestuck, so hey, if that's what my friendship meant to them, better that I found out sooner than later. :| It's just kind of sad to me, seeing people who used to be nice, friendly Hetalia fans turn into Homestuck-obsessed elitists who think that anything non-Homestuck-related isn't even worth a second glance. And then they rag on Hetalia fans who act that way! (Get it yet...?)

Honestly... because I have an effing journal, I will attempt to supply my thoughts.  

Thoughts: I, honestly, have gotten quite far in both fandoms.  I can see why people wouldn't get into Homestuck (had it not been for people telling me about the things uh... well, you'll have to read to figure it out, then I wouldn't have gotten past the first 10 "pages".)  I can actually see some Homestuck fans claiming their superiority about understanding most of the complex shit (Although I have seen way too many people in Homestuck think they're some sort of elitest fuck because of how ~complicated~ it is.--another quote), as I really don't care about--gah!  Spoilers!  Also going with that, I can see Hetalia fans claiming their superiority about their knowledge on history (which brings me to a fic that I found in fanficrant about a fandom I didn't know, yet I reviewed because they screwed up on THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR!  THE GUY WHO LED THE 54TH REGIMENT WILL NOT HAVE ITALIANS IN HIS EFFING ARMY!  Anyways... moving on.)  Despite that, I really haven't seen much flaming on Homestuck in the Hetalia fandom, so... maybe I'm unconsciously avoiding that (like the shipping wars.)  Homestuck--haven't been in the fandom long enough to actually know what they're saying about Hetalia.  If what I've read from other people are true (about Homestuck), then that fandom does actually somewhat deserve the things that Hetalia fans do (people say that the Homestuck fandom is being a troll, for lack of better word... along with I'm too lazy to find the post that covered that.)  Even if so, that does not mean that they should get...

Ah, before I ramble on, I needed to add that this, in no way, shows my preferences.  (I'm going based on blogs because it's terrifying to even think about going into the fandom war.  Though, if you do go, get me good pictures.)

So... I think I'll leave off here, unless you want my full opinion that will go way off course by the end of the whole rant/ramble.
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  • Reading: Homestuck vs Hetalia on tumblr
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PlasmaCode13 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It makes me sad when randoms fight like this, but I have never seen a recent flaming of Hetalia vs. Homestuck. I am personally a devoted Hetalian, but I respect other fandoms. It depends on the people I suppose; and the Internet brings out the worst in some and the best in others, soooo... 
DannasPuppetGirl Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
I understand saying you're better than someone for understanding something and all that, but what if they havent even gotten a chance? i mean, being evil to a fandom just discourages them from reading your comic, and maybe if they read it, they'd understand. i mean, for a while, i didn't read either, because i have friends who are hetalia fans and friends that are homestuck fans. and then i read them at roughly the same time, and both are awesome. i mean,now i see fandom shipping, but it was really bad when i started reading them. and i mean jeez, a lot of the characters are similar (hetastucks may now think of gamzee and russia) and both have awesome art styles. and homestuck, just for the record,was made in microsoft. Hetalia's awesomeness is that it's an anime, and that it's educational. and now i am done here (pardon the rant)
fsklrk Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
They're like France and England. England's Homestuck, and France is Hetalia. Always fighting when they should be getting along, and everyone else rolls their eyes.
Sorry for the shameless Hetalia referencing, but it is quite an accurate analogy, when you think about it...
cutierosepieheart Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
Both fandoms are like best friends now on Tumblr?
tica-tiff Featured By Owner May 14, 2013
yeah that's what I've been thinking all along... when I looked it up it said both fandoms hated each other but on tumblr it seems they both support each other and hetastuck is pretty common... maybe it's just tumblr but idk, I haven't seen hate anywhere else, I've just heard that it started on facebook
Ask-Hevvin Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
this is all sso very true im in both fandoms and it suprises me how much they dislike each other though i feel like there is still alot of back stabbing coming from hetalia too not just homesstuck, a good friend of mine was in a hetalia panel and i was dressed as lil cal and i left my prussia cosplay at home so when i walked in the whole panel all the hetalians stared at me and wouldnt stop i was scared they were gonna attack me
XxnagatofanxX Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013  Student Digital Artist
If I ever were to see you at a cosplay con(If I had a fully working cosplay, of, well, obviously Hetalia), I'd stare at you. But only to decide whether to glomp you or not.

I'm not a fan of Homestuck; I've only seen a little tiny bit of it..
But I somewhat understand it. And I adore all the fans of Homestuck, even if they make fun of Hetalia, or it's fandom.

Because it's not worth another fandom war, and.. Well.. >3> ... Homestuck people are, in my opinion, as awesome as Prussia.
Ask-Hevvin Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
u u u thats very kind of u too say
DarlingDetermination Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love Hetalia and Homestuck. Both awesome and crazy. Also touching and just perfect. Original ideas and such.
ezlimits Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
''Quite a few old friends have lost interest in talking to me now because I'm not all over their precious, wonderful Homestuck''
Exactly how I feel right now ._.
Tomboyshapeshifter Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2012
i personally love both fandoms, i see the pros and cons of both and deeply enjy them...though i do agree if it wasn't for my friend pushing me i wouldnt have gne past the first few acts of homestuck
meramera08 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oh mah god yes, i've been trying to lower the tension between the fandoms for like 2 years.
UnknownPaws Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Student General Artist
I agree with you on this, the fandom war has gone too far. I have read a fair bit of homestuck, and honestly found it no where near as appealing as Hetalia (that is my personal opinion, no offense), but I am not going to bomb it just because I don't like it. Honestly though, the fans put me off it as well, especially the people who attack Hetalia fans so violently. If that is what becomes of people with this fandom, then it's not worth it at all.
However, the Hetalia fandom, though it does less (I have yet to see any fans intensely bomb it, and I have been on Tumblr and all that) of the insult, it is not innocent in this war. However, much of what I have seen is often a retort to a comment made against the fandom (really nasty ones).
Either way, both fandoms have their bad apples, and neither is perfect. I can see why people are repulsed by this; personally, I don't let it bother me and I still love the series regardless of what fans do, because I love Hetalia for my own reasons, my own intentions, my own interest, and I am not going to let a stupid flame war drive me away from the series I love most. Nor am I going to flame people just because they have different interests. In the best case scenerio, it is better to ignore the ones who bomb. If they want to act irrationally, so be it and move on.
One last point, my apologizes for the long message, I find the sudden change in attitudes from Hetali-turned-Homestruck fans is very saddening. The aggression is unneeded, and frankly, it is only destroying the series (Homestuck) even more than before. At this rate, in time if it continues, the fandom will be on the same level as the Twilight fandom, who bombed Harry Potter for a while back, I remember. It is also giving physiology (sp?) a bad reputation a little bit, not the series but the aggressiveness (same may apply a little for Hetalia).
SailorInferno12908 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Amen to this. Honestly, I love Hetalia. I heard of Homestuck on tumblr and I started to watch it, and I thought it was cool, with the Zodiac themes and such. I thought about getting into the fandom but once some of the fans started trolling me about my signature that was Hetalia related, I left. Quick.

Andrew Hussie is awesome for creating such an awesome and interesting plot and characters. As is Hidekaz Himaruya. Although the History behind Hetalia
isn't always correct and the drawings are very poor compared to other manga and anime, I love the idea of personified countries.

Only recently have I seen the Homestuck trolls go on Hetalia videos on YouTube and say that "OMFG th1s iz pr0n0graph1c shieldz t3h ch1drenz eyez!!!1!". I think its just a troll war.
mmmchocolate Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011
This all stems from some deep-rooted sexual tension between the two fandoms
HanakoAnimeaddict Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
XD I see. And... who is the aggressive instigator?
mmmchocolate Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2011
HanakoAnimeaddict Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Really? I'd have thought Hungary said that.
mmmchocolate Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011
Ha! XD You're right! She and Japan are up to no good again...X3
HanakoAnimeaddict Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
XD I can't wait to see what they get into with that.
mmmchocolate Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012
LOL! XD Yes! By the time the war has ended, all of the characters will have been shipped, gender-bent, and crossed-over to the point of being unrecognizable. The fanboys and girls from each fandom will faint from exhaustion, their fingers bruised and bleeding from hours of writing indulgent, poorly-edited fanfiction. As the angry cries from each side slowly die, LiveJournal falls eerily silent. No worries, though. There will be cake :cake:
HanakoAnimeaddict Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Cake? Wait... I don't like cake ever since... *falls silent* Can it be cookies? And, why LJ? Can't it be already have many poorly-edit fics. And, all this shit I typed was from tumblr, not LJ. I still say that will be the battlefield where Japan and Hungary will start their weird magic.
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kayuki13 Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, I find the hate on both of these series is completely irrational and out of nowhere. Hetalia lovers hate on Homestuck, probably because the art is not that good. It can be pretty good when Hussie want it to be dramatic. Though Hetalia's art is a little better than Homestuck, it is kind of bad art itself considering it's all same faced (though most animes/manga are like that so you can't really just pinpoint it at Hetalia.)
But both series need a lot of knowledge and you would have to conduct a lot of research. Hussie had to research horoscopes, it's origins, mythology, complex time warping plot flip-flopping, etc. Himaruya had to research world history, wars that occured, why it happened, etc. Both probably took a while to plan.
Truthfully, I can't choose between which one I like more because they're both completely different things. Hetalia is aimed at world history, whilst Homestuck is aimed at philosophy and whatever the hell else it is aimed at.
Two completely different things.
Both people have put a lot into their work, and I won't be surprised if Hussie or Himaruya get angry considering if I had a comic/manga that had a lot of followers, I would get pissed if people kept comparing me with other artists.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you don't like it, don't fucking watch/read it and if you come across one of it's little followers, walk the fuck away. Don't engage contact. Just move. The Fuck. Away.
Though I can't really remember why I typed this and I don't know what point I was trying to prove considering I think I just ran in a circle trying to prove my point, I hope you will somehow contributed your opinion?
HanakoAnimeaddict Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
You are right about the art, in a way. I find both admirable, considering that I cannot draw anything worth noting unless you’re blind or… really admire me (or fear… let’s keep going). But technically, they have their annoying points—Himaruya draws people that look very similar; exhibit A, to me, would be America and England. You can’t tell the difference between the two! If you want to go with the Homestuck art, you have to admit that there’s something off about it. If Hussie wants to do a good job, he will, but generally, the art is a lot like chibis—the only thing going through my head during most of Homestuck so far was, ‘Chibis. Chibis. WHY ARE THERE CHIBIS?!’
And yes, both series require extensive research, plus a motivation. I can’t imagine spending at least 15 hours a day staring at a history book, or some kind of voodoo magic book. I think, honestly, that I’d consider murder or something to that extent. So, actually, that’s where I have to admire both of the artists. To even know the existence of Prussia, a country that no one even really cares about, that is a miracle all of its own (look closely—Homestuck reference. *shot*) For the philosophy and other shit, that… I might actually look into, if I didn’t think of animals every single time I say or hear the word zodiac.
If you look at both of them, you can see a disturbingly similarity between the two—they both have crazy fan girls that could kill you! Other than that, I can’t really see the two being similar enough to cause a freaking internet war. Oftentimes (had to add that), I find that I can probably make a Hetalia reference in Homestuck, if I actually cared enough to really try.
They are not completely different things. In a way, I can see the two fandoms suddenly including some reference to one another. Both were small series that no one would originally give a shit about, but then you have this crazy fandom bitches going at this war that no one honestly cares about until they, personally, are insulted. Thus, a war starts, and I might watch or I’ll intentionally avoid it.
Hetalia, all in itself, probably took quite a while to plan. I can’t seriously imagine myself, or anyone else for that matter, being able to come up with the things that Himaruya comes up with instantaneously. If that was possible, then I would be a freaking genius! Hussie, on the other hand, I can see him just outlining it and then just winging it. The outline wouldn’t be really vague, but it wouldn’t be all that specific. The trolls, for example, should have taken at least a month to plan, with their personalities and other things—if you try to create a character within a day… well, just look at my (insane) OCs. But yes, I would be pissed if my character, Pahoa, was suddenly compared to your OC, Prince, who I made fun of, make fun of, and will continue to make fun of.
“…if you don't like it, don't fucking watch/read it and if you come across one of its little followers, walk the fuck away. Don't engage contact. Just move. The Fuck. Away.” This is probably one of the main things I think once I step, unintentionally, into a war within or with a fandom. Pairing wars, though not as horrible, often cause me to think, ‘Life would be so much easier if they could just accept that people don’t share their opinions.’ I… really hate the pairing wars, but not as much as a war with fandoms pitted against each other.
This was fun to reply to. (May the new year come with opinion-sharings like this!)
kayuki13 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
(Haha, caught the Homestuck reference right away.)

Yes, Hetalia probably took longer to plan considering the amount of reading of the history of countries people have probably never heard of (I couldn't do it, that's for sure). Himaruya may need to make a slight change in art so people can recognize the characters, though he shouldn't if he doesn't want to.
Hussie, I believe, if he used his photoshop instead of MS Paint and he tried to not draw chibis, it would be spectacular, but I think he's just lazy and doesn't want to spend a long time on each and every page.
If you look at the MS Paint Adventures wiki, you can see how much effort was put into the troll's mannerisms, clothes, personality, their names, etc.
With Hetalia, I see a lot of effort put into the back story more than the actual characters. Himaruya also adds in little stereotypes of the countries into the characters and figuring out which countries have what kind of relationship with who.
There are some fans in these fandom that I have witnessed to act like wild animals when it comes to which fandom is better. It's funny, sometimes horrifying, and can be stupid. Really stupid.
I mean, have you ever seen stupidhomestuckfans on Tumblr? What's up with nakedstuck? That shit isn't funny. It's fucking creepy.
And then there is stupidhetaliafans on Tumblr. The can be pretty strange too. Mostly with people who make nazi OCs.
I'm thinking about having philosophy or psychology as my major in college since it's so interesting, and I've also done my fair share of reading astrology just because it's amusing. I suggest you read up on the two because it's really interesting.
And you shouldn't be making fun of Prince. He makes fun of you often when you aren't there.
People will always have opinions. You can't shove your own opinions down another's throat (though you can try). Some people like cheese, others don't. Some people like football, some people don't. Some people think GamzeeXKarkat is a good pairing, others don't. We'll all fucking live. I just wish people would state their opinions, listen to others with an open mind, think about it, and then walk away. If you find someone who has the same opinion as you, great! Become friends! Do whatever you want.
Glad you had fun replying! XD I'm glad I can finally have a civil debate with someone who isn't a troll (Though fighting with trolls is fun. Especially when you prove them wrong). (I'm up for any type of debate so...yeah! XD)
CasualViolenceWithT Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011
:D both series are full of love.
Janglle Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE Homestuck is full of love!

HanakoAnimeaddict Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
CasualViolenceWithT Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011
oh plz, you know me. >:] besides, i can always rant about it with you when we're actually hanging out. be honest, did you really have to reply with so much CRAP to that other person? \: well, it wasn't exactly "crap" but don't you think you went a little overboard with that reply??
HanakoAnimeaddict Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I know...

And yes, I know I put too much in it. That was actually the point.
CasualViolenceWithT Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011
i don't care what you claim to know about it. that reply was too long and completely pointless.
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